MINUTES OF THE
REGULAR MEETING OF THE TOWN OF ELLICOTT PLANNING BOARD HELD AT THE
ADMINISTRATION BUILDING, 215 SOUTH WORK ST., FALCONER, NY ON SEPTEMBER 14, 2005
AT 7:00 P.M.
PRESENT: Chairman Dan Evans,
Gary Swanson, Dave Carlberg, Phyllis Belin, Paul
Shanahan, Attorney William Wright, Code
Enforcement Officer Randy
Woodbury and Secretary Valerie Pierce.
ABSENT: Mike
Mogenhan and Ron Calanni
Chairman
Dan Evans called the meeting to order at 7:00 P.M.
Motion made by Gary
Swanson, seconded by Phyllis Belin to approve the minutes of the August 10, 2005 meeting.
Carried. Ayes-5 Noes-0 Absent-2
Chairman Evans said
Nicholas Ferreri (Tanglewood Manor) has requested the site plan for the senior
housing and the day care be tabled.
Mr. Woodbury said
that B & L Realty had called just prior to the meeting and it appears they
do not want to put in the fuel storage tank at 2887 Strunk Rd., Jamestown,
NY. Randy said their
architect looked over the plans and could not meet setbacks and had other
issues so at this time corporate in Rochester does not want to put the fuel
tank in. Randy asked for their decision in writing.
Motion made by
Phyllis Belin, seconded by Dave Carlberg to table these three site plans until
next month.
Carried. Ayes-5 Noes-0 Absent-2
Attorney Lucian L.
Lodestro presented a sketch plan for vacant land owned by Falconer Realty
located on East Main Street Extension, Falconer, NY for consideration for a
reverse sub-division.
The Board reviewed the tax map with Mr.
Lodestro. He told the Board back in
1983 they thought this was all taken care of, however, a small triangular piece
shown on the map extends over to lot 13-2-18.2.1. Now they are selling both
lots and are asking for a reverse sub-division to include the little triangular
piece with lot 13-2-17.1 and take it away from 13-2-18.2.1.
Attorney Lodestro told the Board that Falconer
Realty has sold both lots to Dahan Laxmi LLC that is owned by the Patals who
are buying properties for hotels.
Randy Woodbury told the Board the Town does not
assign tax map numbers because the tax map office automatically assigns the
parcel numbers. He also told the Board
members back in 1983 when the zoning was done for the mercantile zone it was
not filed correctly but has been corrected.
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Attorney Wright explained from the legal prospective
the Planning Board is looking at whether or not they would require any process
and if the Town considers this a sub-division.
Mr. Lodestro said they are requesting to take the
triangle away from lot 13-2-18.2.1 and incorporate it into lot 13-2-17.1. Attorney Wright agreed with Randy that is
something done by the tax map department and the Planning Board would not
require process in splitting the triangle off of lot 13-2-18.2.1.
Randy said that back in 1983 when the sub-division
was filed there were requirements and the composite perimeter of the lot and
the triangular piece has existed since 1983. Attorney Wright asked Attorney Van
Every if a sub-division plan was filed when all of the lots were broken up and
Mr. Van Every said that he did not think that it was.
Attorney Robert Van
Every, representing the buyers, told the Board on the RP 5217
form they ask if there is sub-division authority in the law and if it has been
before the Planning Board. He wants to be able to say they have been before the
Board. Attorney Wright asked Mr. Van
Every if he was looking for an indication that the Planning Board does not see
a need to be involved in this. Mr. Van
Every said he would like a vote of the Planning Board that they do not feel
this is a sub-division by conveying the small triangular piece with one lot
instead of the other and is not a sub-division of land that the Planning Board
need to exercise jurisdiction over. If they come back in one year or five years
from now and want to develop that property they do not have to start again for
sub-division and could move ahead on terms of the development.
Attorney Wright told the Board he would research
this and they could continue with the next sketch plan.
Marc Turner of
Turner Property Maintenance, owner of C P Plastics, presented a sketch for an
addition to his current building at 1890 Lyndon Blvd., Falconer, NY.
Mr. Turner presented a sketch of the building and
proposed addition to the Board members. He explained in 1997 they put up an 80’ by 100’ steel building and
had planned for this addition at the time that Lyndon Boulevard was being
paved. The addition will be 60’ by 150’
with a possible truck dock going out either onto Delaware or Lyndon Boulevard. They might need a variance because the
building will come right up to the right-of-way line on Lyndon Boulevard. This property is zoned Industrial so it
requires a 10 foot property line setbacks and would require an area variance
from the Zoning Board of Appeals.
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Mr. Turner could possibly use the site plan they
used in 1997 and modify those plans.
The only issue that Attorney Wright could identify so far is the setback
variance required from the Zoning Board. That would be an immediate filing to
get this project going and because the Zoning Board is required to grant the
minimum variance necessary Mr. Wright suggested Mr. Turner look for the minimum
variance. Chairman Evans told Mr. Turner this Board would look at the truck
traffic, safety issues and lighting. Mr. Turner said he would file for the
variance and site plan review.
Attorney Wright reviewed the sub-division portion of
the Town of Ellicott code. In the definitional section it states a sub-division
does include the division of any parcel of land into two or more lots, however,
there is no requirement for any process in front of the Planning Board unless
the sub-division is what is called a minor sub-division under the code, which
would be the sub-division of land into four or more lots. There is a major
sub-division that is above that. It is
his determination this Board does not need to review the property owned by
Falconer Realty as a sub-division.
Motion made by Paul
Shanahan, seconded by Gary Swanson that the Planning Board does not need to
review the property owned by Falconer Realty Corporation at East Man Street
Extension, Falconer, NY shown on the Town of Ellicott tax maps as Section 13
Block 2 Lots 17.1 and 18.2.1 as a sub-division.
Carried. Ayes-5 Noes-0 Absent-2
Attorney Lodestro and Attorney Van Every asked for a
copy of the minutes. Attorney Wright explained
that an official copy of the minutes is not available until the Board passes
the minutes the next month but they could get a copy of the unapproved
minutes. Mr. Lodestro asked if they
could get a letter from the Town stating this action was taken. A letter will
be sent to both attorneys.
William Ohnmeiss
presented a sketch plan for a sub-division for himself and his partner Robert
Blanchard for property at 2378 Horton Rd., Jamestown, NY.
Mr. Ohnmeiss provided a sketch that showed the
sub-division into six parcels and said they want to clean up this parcel that
is all wooded and now has one owner. He just wanted to know the process and if
could be done.
Attorney Wright told Mr. Ohnmeiss there is very
little chance it cannot be done but explained this would fall into the category
of a major sub-division. It is six or more lots and there is a procedure for
the approval from the Planning Board. There are a lot of steps but because
every one of the lots fronts onto a Town road there would be no roads involved
and several items could be waived.
The sub-division would require process with the
creation of maps, legal descriptions of parcels and the marking of the
properties, a public hearing and SEQR requirements. Mr. Wright suggested PLANNING
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Mr. Ohnmeiss should go through Section 130 of the
code that will explain they would need to do.
Randy Woodbury explained that Supervisor Tyler would
be requesting this Board look at the issue of political election signs. There has been recent Federal court action
that causes a need for change in the code.
Dan Evans asked if he was talking about time limits
on the signs. Attorney Wright said the issue now is that the Town has a
provision in the code that basically allows political signs as an unregulated
sign similar to real estate signs. The political signs have size limitations
and are exempt from the larger sign requirements. The only limitations on the little signs is they have to be on
private property not public property, they have be under 3’ by 3’ and could not
be up more than 30 days before the election and 7 days after. Mr. Wright said
he understands that the safety issues are being upheld but the time limits are
not being upheld if the community does not have provisions for time limits on
real estate signs. The courts have come
in to say it is a limitation on free speech and is probably an equal protection
issue because you are treating political signs differently than other signs.
Attorney Wright suggested they could put time limits on all of the signs or put
in a fee structure that every sign requires a permit.
Mr. Woodbury said he has got some feed back from
Neil Robinson who thinks it would be good if all the Towns would get together
and should take a uniformed look for all of Chautauqua County. It would be good
if all the Towns had the same regulations and those regulations were “bullet
proof” to challenge and enforceable. Randy will not pull signs off private
property but will remove signs on the right-of-ways that are unsafe.
Paul Shanahan noted that the code calls for time
limitations. If you are not in the primary you are not currently in an
election. Randy said regulations have to be content neutral so he cannot take
notice of what the sign says because that would be judging content. Attorney Wright said as soon as he
distinguishes on the basis of “your not in an election” that would be noting
content.
Attorney Wright said it would be a good idea for the
Towns countywide address this issue. Mr. Wright asked about the off premises
signs. Randy said in looking at the
political sign issue he found things on commercial versus non-commercial signs
and he feels pretty comfortable with our regulations.
Motion made by Gary
Swanson, seconded by Paul Shanahan to adjourn the meeting at 7:52 PM.
Carried. Ayes-5 Noes-0 Absent-2
______________________
Valerie Pierce,
Secretary