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MINUTES
OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE TOWN OF ELLICOTT PLANNING BOARD HELD AT THE
ADMINISTRATION BUILDING, 215 SOUTH WORK STREET, FALCONER, NY 14733 ON MAY 1=
4,
2008 AT 7:00 P.M.
PRESENT:=
Chairman Dan Evans, Ga=
ry
Swanson, Ron Calanni, Phyllis Belin, Paul Shanahan, Steve
=
Peterson, Fred Santucci, Attorney
=
Woodbury and Secretary Valerie Pierce
ABSENT: None
Chairman Evans opened the meeting at 7:00 PM.
Motion made by Gary Swanson, seconded by Paul
Shanahan to approve the minutes of the April 2, 2008 meeting.
Carried. =
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sp; Ayes
– 7 =
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Noes – 0
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– 0
Mr. Evans said he woul=
d like
to move the request from the Town Board for a recommendation regarding
permitted uses in Industrial Parks to the end of the agenda. The Board had =
no
problem with the change.
Chairman Evans reopened the public hearing for P=
aul Gutzmer,
National Bedding Co., LLC (Serta Mattress Co.) for an addition to the exist=
ing
building at 2375 Parkway Drive, Falconer, NY 14733.
Mr. Gutzmer, told the Board the pla=
n he
was submitting was scaled back from the plans they presented in
April. Initially the project =
was
for 42,000 plus SF and now is 35,000 SF.&n=
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At the last meeting the issue of the retention pond was discussed. The
original site plan was approved for this addition and the retention pond was
built to accommodate that as well as other business moving into the
park. Since that time they ha=
ve met
with the
Mr. Asinger reviewed t=
he
plans with the Board. He told the Board that the building will be 350’=
; by
100’. He presented stamped site plan drawings for the project reflect=
ing
the building and the parking lot area.&nbs=
p;
The piping for the storm water drainage was noted on the drawings. He asked the board how they would =
like
him to proceed. He submitted =
an
aerial view of the property. =
Mr. Asinger introduced Roy Pedersen, PC from=
E
& M Engineers and Surveyors PC, who did the site plan drawings for =
this
project.
The Board discussed the
following with the representatives from Serta:
·
the drainage – the swales will go
around the building, there is a grade rise in the back
side =
of the
building – if any maintenance or emergency vehicle need =
=
to get around the buil=
ding
they could because it will be graded – they will re-grass
·
the set back – they are well short =
of
the required 150 feet required setback lines – they resized the lot in
the previous plan because of the setback requirements – they have a 50
foot setback from Willard Street Ext.
·
there is a compacted gravel lot – t=
heir
thought process is to let it settle for one to two years before they pave -
National Bedding just purchased the land, where the drop lot was, last year=
·
no additional lighting other than what is
existing on the building - th=
ere
will be security lights that will meet the code
·
no change in the utilities – the
existing infrastructure will accommodate the expansion
·
elevations are shown on the plans –=
they
are moving the drive-in ramp to the new addition and opening up some loading
docks to have more shipping docks available -=
the receiving area on the new side wall will be expanded for receivi=
ng
more raw materials
·
they will put silt fence in the construct=
ion
areas to control any of the erosion or sedimentation and prevent that from
getting into the current storm water system without being properly filtered=
Attorney Wright said t=
hat
one of the questions in his notes from the last meeting is whether or not t=
he
water detention facility that was constructed by the County was going to be
adequate for this project. A =
letter
received by the Town dated 5/14/08 from John Bremmer,
Paul Shanahan said the
County indicated they would have the water detention addressed by summer and
asked the applicant what their construction schedule was. Mr. Gutzmer said they would like to
break ground as soon as they are issued a building permit and if possible t=
he
construction would start within a week or two. The Planning Board usually does not=
go
over one year for the paving because the site plan expires in one year. If Serta
needs more than one year they can come back to the Planning Board and
request additional time.
The Board continued by
reviewing the site plan checklist noting: <=
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·
the water flow – the roof water wil=
l be
captured by underground piping and directed to the storm pond – the
parking lot water has storm inlets that are existing and go to the pond tha=
t will
be modified by the County - the water in the back will come around and the water that does not soak into t=
he
ground will get into the storm drainage system – the trailer drop lot=
is
graded so that water comes to a grass swale that will take it to the roadsi=
de
ditch, which goes to the pond - Mr.
Richard Dixon said there is money set aside to maintain these ponds and as =
soon
as the County can they will get the estimates and get the work done to meet=
the
standards – Randy referenced the letter from Mr. John Bremmer - the B=
oard
decided that they will waive the storm water management plan with the
understanding that the County will update the storm retention facility for =
this
project – Randy said he will issue a building permit with the conting=
ency
that the storm water pond is being reconstructed at the same time the build=
ing
is being built but he will not issue a permit for occupancy until the DEC s=
igns
off on the storm water pond – Serta’s
completion date is December 2008 so the County will not hold them up.
·
The parking lot in the back can stay grav=
eled
for one year but it they need to come back to the Planning Board to ask for=
an
extension if they need more time to pave next year.
·
The Planning Board requested that a 20 fo=
ot
tree buffer be added to the Willard Street side – there is a provisio=
n in
section 146-43 C (landscaping) that states a planted visual barrier will be
required to be maintained in yard areas that abut land upon which residenti=
al
structures are permitted except when natural or physical manmade barriers e=
xist
– the planting barrier or visual screens shall have a width of no less
than 50 feet and should be of plant materials that within a reasonable time=
(5
years) the vegetation will have curtained such growth habit that on a year-=
round
basis a person standing on either side of the planning shall not be able to=
see
through the planting - Mr. Gutzmer has no problem planting trees but does n=
ot
know if he can meet the standard requirement of a wall of trees that preven=
ts
someone from seeing the trailers - Gary suggested that they could plant some
trees so it is not so stark - The Board decided that they would require Serta to plant trees - They agreed=
on
the trees going east to west at a 45 degree angle extending 75 feet - The t=
rees
will be Norway spruce with 10 foot centers.
·
Only other permits required are the build=
ing
permit and the DEC notice of intent.
Steve Peterson had a
question about the water that comes down from the east across the driveway =
to
the retention pond. The water=
now
sheets over the parking lot. =
The
applicant agreed to put a pipe under the parking lot.
The Board reviewed the=
EAF
that was submitted by the applicant.
Attorney Wright stated that this action does not exceed any Type I
threshold in 6NYCRR, Part 617.4 and will not receive coordinated review.
·
This is an addition in an Industrial Park=
·
That the storm water management plan is t=
o be
upgraded by the
·
This project will not have an impact on t=
he
environmental characteristics that would cause the establishment of a criti=
cal
environmental area.
The Board determined t=
hat
this proposed action will not result in any significant adverse environment=
al
impacts.
Motion made by Paul Shanahan, seconded by Gary
Swanson that Chairman Evans executes the EAF with a negative declaration.
Carried. =
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Ayes – 7 =
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Noes – 0 =
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Absent - 0
Motion made by Paul Shanahan, seconded by Phyllis
Belin to approve the site plans for National Bedding LLC (Serta) for the
addition to their existing building at 2375 Parkway Drive, Jamestown, NY as
presented with the following stipulations:
=
·
the parking lot will be paved within one =
year
– the applicant will come back to the Planning Board if they need more
time
=
·
a pipe will be put under the parking lot =
for
drainage
=
·
a tree buffer will be added east to west =
extending
on a 45 degree angle 75 feet – they will stagger Norway Spruce trees =
20
feet on center
=
·
DEC notice of intent and a building permi=
t are
required
=
·
the regulations for the storm water
management plan by the County shall be sent to the Town of
Carried. =
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sp;
Ayes – 7 =
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Noes – 0 =
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sp;
Absent – 0
Paul Potter, PE for Fluvanna Community Church,
presented a sketch plan for a Family Life Center for the Church at 3363
Fluvanna Avenue Ext., Jamestown, NY 14701.
Mr. Potter told the Bo=
ard
that the design is approximately 75% done.=
It does have all the issues for storm water. It is about 2 ½ acres with =
the
expansion. The existing build=
ing is
shown with the proposed addition.
There was a sketch plan brought before the Planning Board a couple y=
ears
ago but that did not go forward.
Mr. Woodbury said this is the first time a design professional has b=
een
before that Board with this project.
Mr. Potter said they w=
ant
to do several things:
·
the Church wants to add the
·
the church has its own septic system and =
well
- the septic system is based on how many people sit in the sanctuary - base=
d on
what will come up in the future the current septic system can’t be
expended large enough to handle it for this site - Mr. Potter has talked to=
the
South and Center Sewer District and there is a sanitary manhole across the
street so they have put a pump station in and would modify the current sept=
ic
for the holding tank to handle the sewage.
·
an elevation plan for the front of the Ch=
urch
was submitted because they are going to add a narthex to the front
·
they do not have the all of the architect=
ural
plans or the landscape plan
·
they hope to come back in a couple months=
·
this property was an old gravel pit - Mr.
Potter did some storm water calculations and he explained the drainage to t=
he
Board – they will need to have fire suppression for the family life
center, which adds approximately 11,000 SF – 12,000 SF - the connector
building adds another 2500 SF plus the narthex – just the family life
center needs to have fire suppression – they will need storage and pu=
mps
and back up generation for the pumps – the Church is looking to put t=
heir
own power generation system in
·
there will be parking lot lighting that w=
ill
go around the outside and shine in- that is not shown on the plan
·
there will be some small modifications on=
the
inside of the building
·
this property is zoned residential –
the Church has a Special Use Permit
- Randy stated that they should come in for a modification to the
Special Use Permit to show the new scale
·
this site is 11.1 acres and with the new =
build-out
they will have about 6 acres of green space – there is a courtyard in=
the
middle of the parking lot that will be use for green space and a memorial
garden
·
there is some storm water that is not
collected by the storm water pond – the grade does not change –=
it
runs to the southwest
·
Mr. Potter spoke to the
·
the parking lot will probably not be buil=
t as
big as it is shown on the plans – there is bad soil in the front of t=
he
site – the gravel ends approximately 25 feet in front of the Church a=
nd
from there on the soil gets worse as you go toward the lake
·
Paul Shanahan asked about the pond and dr=
ainage
– Mr. Potter said they will build a berm – Paul asked if it will help alleviat=
e some
of the current drainage problems – Mr. Potter said it will not allevi=
ate
the problem but may help because the drainage now contributes to the proble=
m
The Board told Mr. Pot=
ter
that the Church would have to submit an application to the Zoning Board.
The Planning Board continued with discussion on =
the
request from the Town Board to review section 146-42 D of the Town of Ellic=
ott
code regarding permitted uses in Industrial Parks, especially that retail
business should not be precluded from operating in Industrial Parks and to =
give
a recommendation.
Attorney Wright read t=
he letter
received from the Town Board dated 1/23/08. The Planning Board had met with=
William
Dailey and Richard Dixon from the County Planning Board with the idea t=
hat
the Industrial Parks in the Tow=
n of
Ron Calanni said that =
Bill
Dailey wears more than “one hat” but would only speak for the <=
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Randy Woodbury has mad=
e a
proposal which might be a compromise to the Town Board. The Town Board has asked Attorney =
Wright
to discuss that proposal with the Planning Board. The proposal is to add
another section of code to the indu=
strial
park district that creates the concept of a special permit use in an industrial park district. The Planning
Board discussed that proposal.
·
Attorney Wright told the Town Board that =
they
can not leave it up to the Zoning Board to decide what is allowed - he aske=
d if
the Planning Board wanted to recommend the Town Board create the concept of=
a
special permit use and if so, what the criteria should be for that special
permit use - Mr. Wright asked the Board for ideas for what the criteria sho=
uld
be - Some thoughts for criteria, before the Planning Board knew what the
project was, were for incidental sales of products made at the location.
·
Paul Shanahan said that when he asked Mr.
Dailey and Mr. Dixon if it would have any impact on future development with
larger manufacturers if the Town did allow Blooomquist
Landscaping to come in and develop this parcel within the industrial pa=
rk - Mr. Dailey did not think it would h=
ave
any impact and did voice he was favorable to the change - Paul said that if
they did allow this they should open the code to allow the businesses that =
are
there to do the same - Attorney Wright agreed that they would have to make
anything they did district wide or they would get into a spot zoning situation - Paul said that he thought you could
achieve a common ground by allowing Bloomquist Landscaping or a similar
business into the industrial park district through a special use permit pro=
cess
– the part about retail sales would have to have one broad change and=
one
variance type of change - Ron said he would agree but for existing business=
es
the incidental sales should have a start and end time - Fred Santucci said that Overhead Door sells doors and Gary=
has
stated that Gren Company also d=
oes
retail sales - Attorney Wright said that should not be there but they did n=
ot
come before the Town - Randy Woodbury told the Board members that Overhead =
Door
has been told not to sell doors to individuals at the industrial park - they
can have clients come in because they are a service company but individuals
should not be allowed to pick the door up themselves - both Serta and Bush have asked to have retail sales and Randy has told them
“no”
·
Paul asked what the necessity or purpose =
of
prohibiting retail sales was – Randy thought that has to be decided o=
n a
case by case basis and is why he suggested the special use permit that can =
be a
mechanism to govern something that is not a “use by right” in t=
he
memo that he wrote to Councilman Lodestro– there is a strong test in =
section
146-64 of the Town of Ellicott Zoning code that states in the special use
permit section that whatever use that is allowed by special use permit cann=
ot
be any more objectionable than a use that is allowed by right – there=
is also
a lack of definitions in the code
·
Bloomquist Landscaping does not fit in the
Industrial Park by right – almost 100% of his business is off site bu=
t it
is not a business that can be there by right
·
Randy said that the Board needs to realize how valuable the Industrial
Parks are to preserve (even if they are vacant for a long period of time) f=
or a
high employee business such as manufacturing – there is a lot of money
put into the infrastructure – Fred said there are better locations mo=
re
suitable for a landscaping business than the Industrial Park – Paul
stated that he feels that the IDA made it very clear that the parcel has not
been developed and this would be opportunity to get it developed –
Attorney Wright said the problem is to write the code to allow this business
but not something that the IDA and Town does not want – Ron stated th=
at
the purpose of the Industrial Park is for manufacturing business and to cre=
ate
jobs – the landscaping business will not create jobs – Paul sai=
d at
the same time you are not developing that parcel and getting it on the tax =
roll
·
Ron asked if the businesses were subsidiz=
ed
by the Federal or State government -
Randy said he thought it was part of the Economic Development Zone
·
Randy said that he thought an ideal spot =
for
this would be on
·
Most of the Board members were in agreeme=
nt
that this business did not belong in the Industrial Park – it could o=
pen
the Industrial Park to anything – it might be considered spot zoning =
–
Paul said that this parcel has never been developed in all the years the
Industrial Park has been there
·
Phyllis Belin stated that because of the
emphases at the College on training people that are industry ready there wi=
ll
be more skilled labor in the area – a business may come in because of=
the
work force
·
Randy said that even if the Special Use
Permit were created the Zoning Board might not grant a permit to this busin=
ess
– Randy said that Bloomquist could apply for a use variance
·
Randy said that the same thing is happeni=
ng
at the airport – there is a big hanger that they hope will be used to
it’s capacity - someone=
at
the IDA (who is not there anymore) wanted them to use it for IDA offices
– that would have taken something (even though it is not being used to
it’s full capacity) away from the airport
·
Randy said Mr. Dixon, as the financial
person, wants to do something with the properties because they are not turn=
ing
a profit – the County has expenses - Mr. Dailey would say the same th=
ing with
his “IDA Hat” on but when he had his “County Planning
Hat” on and was asked if they wanted the scheme to apply to the whole
district he said “No”
·
Paul asked the Board if they were in
agreement to open the Park to incidental sales to the existing businesses
– the letter from the Town Board did not request that - Dan did not think the criteria was=
there
to change the integrity for retail sales
·
Gary Swanson said that his opinion would =
be
to recommend not to change the code – Fred Santucci agreed – Pa=
ul
said that there does not seem to be anyway to make it fit –
·
Attorney Wright said that the Board in the
past have directed the Chairman with the Attorney’s help to send a
letter to the Town Board with=
their
recommendation and the reasons
·
Randy said that the Industrial Parks are
designed for what goes back to legislative intent – he feels that the
legislative intent of Industrial Parks Countywide is for job intensive
manufacturing purposes and even if they have to be land banked preserving t=
hat
is so great that should never jeopardized
The Board agreed that =
they
should recommend that this business not be allowed in the Industrial Park
because:
=
·
of the legislative intent - land is valuable and should be pre=
served
=
·
even with a modification of the code to a=
llow
a special use permit the proposed use of applicant is not permitted under t=
he
Industrial Park criteria
=
·
the IDA director advised the Board that unless the Board could create
criteria that only went to one parcel they were not in favor of retail sale=
s on
an Industrial Park wide basis the Board did not recommend the rezoning of
individual parcels due to spot zoning– Paul said that would tread on a
spot zoning issue – Ron said that if they were to allow retail outlet=
s in
an industrial park would it discourage manufacturing companies coming in
Motion made by Gary Swanson, seconded by Phyllis=
to
direct Chairman Evans to send a letter to the Town Board stating the Planni=
ng
Board is not in favor of a change because of the reasons listed.
Carried. =
Ayes – 7 =
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Noes – 0 =
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Absent
– 0
Motion made by Paul Shanahan, seconded by Ron
Calanni to adjourn the meeting at 9:08 PM.
Carried. =
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Ayes – 7 &nbs=
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nbsp; Noes – 0 =
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_______________________________
Valerie Pierce, Secretary
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– Regular Planning Board Minutes cont.